The random thoughts of a genius...er...gene nash.
a different experience
Published on November 2, 2004 By Gene Nash In Politics

        I voted in Arizona last week, the first election I voted anywhere but California. Being so used to one system made it strange to experience how others handle the same event.

Early Voting

        In California you either vote absentee or show up on election day. In Arizona you have the option of voting early, even a month before the election. One result of this is that there are multiple ballots at a single location. When you vote on election day you go to a place within your precinct which has only the ballots relevant to that precinct. Not so with early voting. With early voting all the voters in this city went to the county offices, therefore every precinct's ballot had to be present at that one location. You walk in, a woman looks you up in the computer, tells another woman which precinct number you belong to, and begins printing a label. The second woman gets the appropriate ballot and the freshly printed label and hands it to a third woman.

Not An Anonymous Ballot

        She then hands the ballot and label to a third woman, who sticks the label on an envelope which you sign. The label had my name and address on it. Since this is the envelope my ballot will eventually be going into it means -- for at least a while -- my vote isn't anonymous. I'm not sure I like that. I don't know whether that is the system for all voters or just those voting early. In California the only time your ballot gets stuck in an envelope is if there is cause to make it provisional.

        (Update: The local talk-radio program is discussing how ballots are handled. Apparently non-early voters take their ballot back to the table where it is fed into a machine which electronically tallies the vote then shreds the ballot. I definitely would not care for that! A phone in caller said he voted early but was handed the envelope to mail in, like an absentee ballot. Hmm. I wonder what happened to my early ballot? If those innocent looking little old ladies hadn't also taken and kept my Democratic mother's ballot I might start imagining they were actually DNC operatives! )

No Chads Here

        Step up to a booth with your new ballot. When I left California they were still using punch cards. Nevada has gone electronic, and Arizona? Arizona uses felt tip pens! The ballot is a large sheet of paper with circles next to the candidates' names and the yes/no's for propositions. You vote by taking a felt tip pen and filling in the circle of your choice. I wondered how accurately I had to stay within the lines. If my circle ended up looking like Mickey Mouse would my vote not count? Or would they be thawing out Walt for that day he's long awaited? "Mr. Disney! You've been elected in Arizona!"

Meet your Electors

        Underneath the presidential candidates' names were listed the names of the electors who will vote for Arizona should that candidate be selected. These are the people for whom you are actually voting. In California they remain nameless and unseen.

Will the Real Incumbent Please Stand Up?

        In California a candidate's occupation appears next to their name, with the incumbent so marked. Nothing like that in Arizona, just the candidate's name. You either know who these people are or you don't. I wonder if that is an attempt to lessen the incumbent advantage?

 

        Despite feeling odd, the process was smooth, quick and easy -- far more so than I've ever seen in California (and I worked for many years as an election official).


Comments
on Nov 02, 2004
What they should do for the longer-term ballot handling is put your ballot in a sealed envelope, then put that envelope inside another sealed envelope. The outer envelope then gets your name, address, etc.

And the ballot-shredding?? I am astounded that that would be suggested, much less implemented. How can you do recounts?
on Nov 02, 2004
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think the ballot is actually shredded, just damaged in such a way that it can't be put back through the vote-reader again. I don't think the ballot cards themselves are individually identifiable, at least our mail-in ballots were not. The signature is on the outside of the envelope which contains the affidavit of identity so that election officials can verify eligibility and make certain only one envelope per voter shows up.

And, apparently, the ballots are set up somewhat differently in differenct counties in Arizona, which is not surprising. In every election I've voted in here since the current-style ballot card was adopted at least 15 years ago in Maricopa County, you fill in the space between the point and the tail of an arrow to mark your choice, not fill in a circle.

And welcome to Arizona, Gene.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 02, 2004
How can you do recounts?


You can't. It's a problem with many electronic voting methods. That's what the radio guys were going off about. What I got from it is that the state of Arizona considers this a form of electronic voting, and that they also consider the count so infallible that a recount would just yield the same results anyway so why keep the ballot? (Hmm, electronic tally machines programmed to defraud? Nah. That could never happen.... )

Most of the electronic machines in Nevada are fitted with a printer that prints a copy of what you voted for so you can make sure it was accurate. I guess the papers are turned in for possible recount. A radio caller from across the river in Nevada said only 2 of the 10 machines had printers. That's not much better than what's going on over here.

(The machines in Nevada are actually touch screen computers people vote on, not just a machine that tallies manual voting like we have here.)

There's a web site devoted to these problems, http://www.blackboxvoting.org/, including a free electronic version of the book "Black Box Voting." (That's not an endorsement of the book. I haven't read it yet.)

It should be pointed out that the radio guys are vehemently against the electronic voting and lack of paper trail. Their reporting may be (slightly) biased.
on Nov 02, 2004
I don't think the ballot is actually shredded, just damaged in such a way that it can't be put back through


The radio guys said it was shredded here, but since I have no personal knowledge of it, I'll cede to your greater experience, Daiwa.

you fill in the space between the point and the tail of an arrow to mark your choice, not fill in a circle.


Eeeek! I'll stick with the circle. I wonder if there's a county where you have to do one of those "If you can draw this turtle you may have what it takes to become an artist" drawings? That would be mean....

And welcome to Arizona, Gene.


Thank you. Glad to be here. (I'm in Mohave County, BTW.)
on Nov 02, 2004
I wonder if there's a county where you have to do one of those "If you can draw this turtle you may have what it takes to become an artist" drawings? That would be mean....


ROTFLMAO!!

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 10, 2004
You said "In California the only time your ballot gets stuck in an envelope is if there is cause to make it provisional." So how do they mail out Absentee Ballots?
on Dec 06, 2004
You said "In California the only time your ballot gets stuck in an envelope is if there is cause to make it provisional." So how do they mail out Absentee Ballots?


Technically an absentee ballot is a form of provisional ballot in that it requires a signature and verification before being accepted.

Thank you for your question.
on Dec 06, 2004
Step up to a booth with your new ballot. When I left California they were still using punch cards. Nevada has gone electronic, and Arizona? Arizona uses felt tip pens! The ballot is a large sheet of paper with circles next to the candidates' names and the yes/no's for propositions. You vote by taking a felt tip pen and filling in the circle of your choice. I wondered how accurately I had to stay within the lines. If my circle ended up looking like Mickey Mouse would my vote not count? Or would they be thawing out Walt for that day he's long awaited? "Mr. Disney! You've been elected in Arizona!"


A pen and paper! Interesting idea! With all the electronic voting machines and hanging chads, who'd have thunk it?!